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Finally watched that trailer Calvar linked.

I don't think it should be looked at as America being the underdogs everyone roots for. It was a revolution to become its own country. It happened. It's a noble cause by ANY country. Just because it's America, I sense a lot of prejudice for that one reason. If this game was based off of the French Revolution, no one would care. Take it as with same view, people.

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And it's not like this trailer is all "fuck yeah!"

well, it does for whatever reason sport the national anthem, that's pretty close.

the Americans were the most sympathetic side of said war

no side is sympathetic in a war.

I'd disagree. Some causes are less abhorrent than others.

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And it's not like this trailer is all "fuck yeah!"

well, it does for whatever reason sport the national anthem, that's pretty close.

the Americans were the most sympathetic side of said war

no side is sympathetic in a war.

I'd disagree. Some causes are less abhorrent than others.

causes, maybe
people, no

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ROB_88 wrote:
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And it's not like this trailer is all "fuck yeah!"

well, it does for whatever reason sport the national anthem, that's pretty close.

the Americans were the most sympathetic side of said war

no side is sympathetic in a war.

I'd disagree. Some causes are less abhorrent than others.

causes, maybe
people, no

Well that's all I was trying to say. I obviously didn't mean that american people had more inherent value than british people at that time.

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very well then, my good sir

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I've seen a few comments on Youtube, IGN, and other sites from non-Americans saying how they're too unfamiliar with the time period, usually following up with "and because of that, it's an awful choice".

I don't see how being unfamiliar with a paticular point in history makes that a bad decision for the setting. As a US resident myself, one of the reasons i love the AC francise is i get to learn about all types of historical places and figures(even if the games aren't 100% accurate). I'm not a history buff so i don't know much about the American Revolution beyond the stuff they teach in school but i'm really egar to see AC's unique spin on the story.

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Even if you think you have a decent grasp of what was going on, Ubisoft always goes above and beyond.

I THOUGHT I knew quite a bit about the Renaissance from school, but playing AC2 basically informed me of exactly how little I'd learned.

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America: land of the brave and home of the assassins.

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America: land of the brave and home of the assassins.

And Templars.

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If you don’t know your animus from your arm knife...

"Arm knife"? Really?

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Probably in service of the alliteration. Honestly though, it is an arm knife if you look at it literally.

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JoeyFogey wrote:
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If you don’t know your animus from your arm knife...

"Arm knife"? Really?


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If you don’t know your animus from your arm knife...

"Arm knife"? Really?


To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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EzioAltair17 wrote:
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If you don’t know your animus from your arm knife...

"Arm knife"? Really?


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PatrickDeneny wrote:
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If you don’t know your animus from your arm knife...

"Arm knife"? Really?


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ROB_88 wrote:
it does for whatever reason sport the national anthem

Technically speaking, the national anthem of the United States is The Star-Spangled Banner. The song in the trailer is called America the Beautiful.

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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I was a hater for a long time ever since I played through Revelations, not that it was a horrible game but it just felt mediocre IMO. I mean exploring the new areas was fun, but the storyline was stale for me and there was no more magic "being surprised" like the other Assassin Creeds.

Long story short, I'm ready for something fresh and new too the series and possibly make me love the Story once again.
If this game has been in Development for 3 years then it should be a great gaming experience.

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Isn't Ubisoft Montreal in Montreal, CANADA? Why would they have incentive to make the US "good" and the British "bad?" They have the British Monarchy on their money. If anything, I would expect the British to be more good than bad. How else would the Americans be able to defeat the larger forces of the British if not for the Pieces of Eden giving them strength and ingenuity? Plus, didn't Edison discount Tesla's accomplishments with the help of a Piece of Eden, showing that at least one American after the revolution was a member of the Templar Order was in possession of a Piece of Eden? (Maybe I'm misremembering, or don't have all the info you guys have yet).

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it... I think Tesla had the PE and was going to provide free electricity for the world. Edison, a Templar, discredited him, took the PE and gave it to fellow Templar, Henry Ford.... Not that any of this matters, but it DOES show that prominent American figures WERE members of the Templar Order. ... We also know that George Washington was in possession of a PE... but I don't remember what side we were told he was on, if any.

That said, the British had treaties with the natives during the wars such that the natives would attack British settlements. The colonists were invading the homeland of the Native Americans. All said, I think a half British-half Native American Assassin would have more of a beef with the Americans over the British... but I'm sure he won't like either side too much.

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And that's exactly the type of moral ambiguity this series desperately needs, considering how our last 2 games didn't possess a modicum of it at all.

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Except for the fact that we fought against both ottoman and byzantine guarda, the main templar turned out to be an ottoman, and the "good" ottoma. Who showed up and took him down was kinda more of a dick than he was?

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I was a hater for a long time ever since I played through Revelations, not that it was a horrible game but it just felt mediocre IMO.

I think the subject of this topic refers to people hating the setting of AC3 in America. I don't know. Maybe I lost track. Puzzled

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I think the subject of this topic refers to people hating the setting of AC3 in America. I don't know. Maybe I lost track. Puzzled

Yea I was going tad off-topic, it was the only thing I can think of, when reading this topic.

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stabguy wrote:
I think the subject of this topic refers to people hating the setting of AC3 in America. I don't know. Maybe I lost track. Puzzled

Sorry, stabguy. My fault.

I was trying to provide some evidence that it might not be strictly USA-good vs British-bad, which had to do, slightly, with the conversation at hand.

Personally, I hope it's not clear cut. But as far as making it USA-good vs Britich-bad, the (Canadian) devs wouldn't be too out of line, in my opinion. Sure, the hate for my country might increase with this, but just think: When you're playing a video game, and get to the end, aren't you trying to win? Didn't the colonists win? I'm not saying some games don't provide alternate histories, but from my limited experience in AC, it seems to be providing an explanation for history as it happened, not trying to change it. So from that point of view, bring on the hate. We DO win the revolutionary war. And if Conner must pick a side, I'd rather him pick the winning team.

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They've lost me when they moved forward in time after AC1 instead of back in time, so obviously I don't care for the American revolution as a setting.

But regarding anti-americanism, the revolutionary war is about fighting an empire. Often by means of terrorism. So paradoxically, it's more an anti-american theme than a pro-american one.

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The developers have made comments that the distinction between good and bad in AC3 is not going to be as clear-cut. So the resemblance in that respect will (should) be more to AC1 than the other games, which would be the best possible outcome.

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People, Ubisoft has said time and time again that the only thing Connor is fighting for is setting a future for his tribe. Both British and Colonials will have good and bad guys. Any interactions with these groups will be to use them to his advantage or to assassinate them. He's not taking sides.

Also, this story takes place before and after the war. It's not even the primary focus. It just happens to be involved in his journey.

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...the revolutionary war is about fighting an empire. Often by means of terrorism. So paradoxically, it's more an anti-american theme than a pro-american one.

Where did you get that? O_o

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A mixed race outsider amidst a war between two greater factions - it does sound like AC1.

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...the revolutionary war is about fighting an empire. Often by means of terrorism. So paradoxically, it's more an anti-american theme than a pro-american one.

Where did you get that? O_o

he's got a point.
i didn't wanna be the one to bring it up, but if that word was around at the time and as widely used as it is now, they could be classified as terrosrists.
after all, one mans terrorist is another mans revolutionary freedom fighter.

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Good point.

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