The Hidden Blade Assassin's Creed in Depth

I always figured you'd need different PoE for different vaults.

This sounds like a great idea! We still shouldn't discount 16's writings on the floor of Abstergo (You can still see them in your eagle vision at the start of the game), sure they wern't related to AC2 that much, besides the glyphs, but if your right about the Incan angle, then there may still be clues there.

Well great topic man, definately something that would become Ac3, specially if it is a summary of the best ideas exposed on the boards.

Wasn't the staff destroyed in Tunguska? If it was, then Giga's theory will be right and different pieces of Eden will be needed along with the apple to open the temples.

If you look out the window in the hideout you'll see italian style buildings.Perhaps they might be travelling to the same vault at the end of the game to find out clues about the PoE.

You can't destroy pieces of eden, according to the codex. Maybe they THOUGHT they had destroyed it, but unfortunately for them, the staff is still somewhere in the world.

And james, it's "I AM become death, the destroyer of worlds"

Heh, thanks.

I thought that Tesla HAD destroyed the POE with electricity, Altair doesn't know about electricity yet so he still believes them to be indestructable?

We don't know, he supposed that the artifact was indestructible, but he also said that maybe if he looked in the apple, it will tell him how to destroy it. Maybe the explosion just send it flying somewhere else?

Abstergo proved otherwise in Denver.

And here comes the part that I need help with:

I don't understand the Denver and Fluoride incidents involving Abstergo (even though I've read over the e-mails). Can someone please explain to me?

Denver was when Abstergo most likely destroyed a PoE when using it on the Denver International Airport.
The "New Fluoride" thing was when Abstergo was experimenting on an isolated community with this thing. Most likely, it's a PoE; it could also be a chemical compound like the one that Garnier de Naplouse used on the patients of the Hospitalier in Acre.

So how did the Piece of Eden end up getting destroyed?

And if Abstergo means "everything's fine" by "everything's Denver," why would something as bad as the Piece of Eden being destroyed be an okay thing?

I'm not sure, there is no more especification on it, maybe they discovered something when they were using it that would be very useful for there Palinic plans.

It was never specified. I don't know that it's really important anyhow, as the idea now is not to destroy them, but to use them to save the world.

Man, every story always starts small and results in the hero eventually saving the entire world.

I'm pretty sure that's in reference to the cover-up. Emails (or was it Lucy...?) made mention of how the entire situation was totally covered up so that the public had no idea what happened there. If "everything's Denver", to me that means that everything is in the clear, nothing to worry about. All i's dotted, all t's crossed, all bases covered, et cetera.

But what about the other pieces? We know that the shroud is with Altair's armor, but where is it? As well as the sword and the other 2 apples?

That's pretty much what AC3's going to be all about, isn't it? Finding the pieces of Eden to open vaults.

Let's hope that there are more pieces than vaults, because Abstergo already destroyed at least one PoE.

If the shroud is the last PoE, there would be 66.

The Piece of Eden destroyed by Abstergo in Denver was, in fact, the Masyaf artifact.

Lucy: "The artifact from Masyaf? They had it. It was destroyed in the accident."
...
Desmond: "Wait. What's that mean, everything's Denver?"
Lucy: "It means everything's fine."
Desmond: "Why Denver?"
Lucy: "It's a reference to Denver International Airport. There's an underground facility there. It's where the accident happened."

Lucy never elaborates on the nature of the accident.

Exactly! The Game Intestine walkthrough pointed that out. I took another shot at it in Eagle's Pranks.

Vidic: "What's the situation down there?"
Abstergo security: "Everything's Denver! Help us!"

And there's your plothole, DAZ!

Thanks stab

I think it's meant in an ironic fashion.

What about when that ship got transported into the future, didn't that destroy a PoE?

No, that's not what happened.

The Philadelphia Experiment was an alleged experiment of teleportation, but what happened instead was the ship supposedly turned invisible for a few seconds/minutes. It didn't time travel at any point, and though a PoE was probably involved, it wasn't destroyed.

There was indeed time travel. Re-read the email.

That doesn't make sense. A PoE is nothing more than a projector. This would make invisibility completely possible, but how does projection tie into time travel.

And lately I've been hearing multiple unconfirmed rumors of the French Revolution being the basis of AC3. Any truth to this? And how would you like this?

Probably the same way that Altair was able to make the new alloy for his armor - the Apple provided instructions on how to build the technology.

Carrying an Apple onto one ship and making that single ship invisible is rather trivial. Furthermore, a person carrying an Apple can already convince everyone around them to believe whatever they want them to believe. It only makes sense that the Templars would want technology which allows any ship to render itself invisible at will, without the need for an Apple to be aboard.

The ship was already phased outside of space (recall that crew members were phased right into bulkheads), and given the space-time relationship it doesn't seem unlikely that the ship was actually phasing out of time as well.

There's also the fact that the sphere can view the future. If it has the means to view the fourth dimension the way we mere mortals view the first three, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch that it could also manipulate, or at least tell us how to manipulate, the fourth dimension.

That was one of the bigger rumors regarding AC2 as well. I wouldn't put much stock in it, personally.

Wait, what?! Is this in an e-mail on one of the computers in AC1? If that's the case, I totally missed it, and I feel kinda stupid, cause I thought I had read em all.

It's on the computer in the conference room.

Here's the relevant paragraph from the email:

It implies that a Piece of Eden was damaged in the experiment.

i'm staring to think that there is only onw way to destroy a POE, by overusing it and "burning it out". but any conventional ways will not work.

unrelated question. at the end of AC1 we hear Al Mualims voice telling him to destroy it, but Altair just killed him. how can he then still talk?
maybe the Aplle did something, but what?

I imagine that's just his conscience making Al Mualim's final warning ring in his head. It's a common plot device used in movies. In many situations, the protagonist will continue to carry out a conversation with the non-existent counterpart, which is essentially providing a narrative to represent an internal struggle.

It's like at the end of Spider Man 2 with Harry Osborne and William Dafoe

The staff was destroyed in Tunguska but Abstergo apparently has another one in storage(mentioned on the conf. room computer).

I'm geussing that there are likely multiple Staves, Swords, and Shrouds. Same way that there is more than one Apple of Eden. The Staff we see in AC2 is probebly still in Rome as it belongs to the Pope.

One thing that i'm confused about is the email says that PE2(apple) was lost in the DIA accident, what happened PE1 though? Was there another accident where it was destroyed?

Not necessarily. The Templars numbered all of the Pieces of Eden that they were aware of. They were not all apples either – the Papal Staff, for example, is a Piece of Eden.

Still, i'm curious what the current status of all the PoEs are. In AC1 they make it sound like they don't have any Apples of Eden in there possession and that's why they needed Desmond to show them the map.

I have a theory on what Lucy, Desmond and co. will be fighting to prevent in AC3 - not the sun in any direct capacity, but an enormous series of earthquakes. At the very end of AC2, Lucy says that the threat is a possible reversal of the earth's magnetic poles, which would cause geological instability. And in AC1, one of Subject 16's writings mentions The Earthquake, a sura of the Koran that concerns, you guessed it, the end of the world. Since religion in the AC universe is typically a misinterpretation of ancient events, The Earthquake could describe the last time the poles reversed. So rather than preventing the sun exploding, the temples could be devices designed to strengthen the Earth's magnetic field, so as to indirectly prevent the series of earthquakes.

I'm pretty sure that that was just a narrative device - we also hear him quote Ecclesiastes 1:17 - "and I perceived that this also was a chasing of the wind".

Hey something important I thought I should mention regarding things to come in AC3:

I was messing around with Desmond's Eagle Vision during his time spent out of the animus and I came across some interesting things, namely some sort of a path system. When Desmond's Eagle Vision activates, not only are allies highlighted in blue, but quick pathways, swinging poles, and helpful climbable objects are as well (like the color red in Mirror's Edge). This may be a sign of something to come in the next game as Desmond may be using his Eagle Vision to find pathways around targets and into the Temples. I can't be certain, but it's certainly odd that this happens only to Desmond and not to Ezio as well. It also happens during the revisit to Acre shortly after Desmond's Renaissance hiatus.

This doesn't really help predict the plot, but it's just a glimpse of a "pathfinder" system that may appear in AC3, and I can see how it will be helpful. However, if we can take one thing away from this, it's that if they're willing to go out and make abilities exclusively for Desmond and not for his ancestors, we can assume that Desmond will be even MORE actively involved in AC3 than in his two previous escapades.

Nope, it happens to Ezio at least once - In the Santa Maria Novella tomb, the barriers that block Ezio from using a Leap of Faith neat the beginning are highlighted in red.

That's not really a pathfinder system, that's more of just "you need to move these." He can't climb them and they're not useful at all, you just need to activate the lever that moves them.

Hi, new here in this forums. I would like to give some info on the locations. I dont know whether it is useful or not.
IMO the locations are important as it is the setting of AC3. Where Desmond and the modern Assassins go, we will predict. So that we will know the locations of any Pieces of Eden that are hidden in the location's landmark.

Because the so-called "End Of the World" happens in 21st of December 2012, the setting of AC3 is a lot of months before that. As Desmond have to travel to places to find the Pieces Of Eden, required to activate the Temples. During the Journey, Desmond is able to use the Eagle Vision to find clues or information that links to the locations of the Piece of Eden or the Temples in reality.

I suspect that the Pieces of Eden may not be hidden in the Temples. As they are required to activate the Temples. The Piece of Eden, may be hidden in locations that Subject 16 wrote as Cryptic Messages:

-YonaGuni (Yona Guni in Cryptic Messages) is the westernmost island of Japan. Since there is no huge temple around that island. It is likely to be the location of one of the Pieces of Eden

-Nazca Lines (The monkey with a curled-up tail in Cryptic Messages) are a series of ancient geoglyphs located in the Nazca Desert of Peru. Peru has small Temples. Those small temples are not likely to be the Temples that Minerva is talking about. But about the Nazca Dessert. Another Pieces of Eden might be located there, with the Nazca Lines (viewed by Eagle Vision) as a guide to the location.

During the journey to grab the Piece Of Eden, Desmond and the Assassins may encounter the Abstergo Industries and have a fight. Because Abstergo also wanted the Piece of Eden. To control people's mind. And maybe, Vidic could be assassinated too.

For the Temples.. They may not be temples but huge historical sites. The likely locations are:

-Chichen Itza (Mexico) Built by the Mayan. Likely to be one of the locations because of their calender that predicted doomsday.

-Pyramids of Giza (Egypt) Likely to be one of the locations because its famous (No, serious.. lol)

-Forbidden City (Ppl of Republic Of China) Likely to be one of the locations due to the chinese Cryptic Message by Subject 16

-Al-Masjid al-Ḥarām (Mecca, Saudi Arabia) That is the only "Holy Place" and popular place where i can think of. (No offence to Muslims.)

There may be more. Since Minerva said that: "If their work can be saved" . The Temples maybe ruins of temples. Also Masonic Temples may be involved because of Freemasonry in the storyline.

The director of Assassin's Creed, Patrice Desilets, said that he could make 30+ Assassin's Creed sequels for the Assassin's Creed Series and he also said that it was not a trilogy. So Assassin's Creed 3 is not the end.

Correct me if the above information is wrong.

Oh yeah. A question to ask, i uploaded a Assassin's Creed II video gameplay. How can i put it in the main page of thehiddenblade.com? Thanks

By being awesome.

Create a new topic in the AC2 forum. Link to your video (you can use the [youtube] tag to embed it right in your topic). If Ian or I think it represents the quality standards of The Hidden Blade, we may promote it to the front page. Just remember that it has to be a new topic. We can't front-page a comment on someone else's topic.

I would really enjoy playing as a female Assassin. Sorry, that's not a prediction, but it couldn't have been an accident that female Assassins were shown in the game and they didn't seem to be thought of as odd for being so. It's a possibility. That would rock.

It represents the weapon: Hidden Blade? Or this website TheHiddenBlade.com ??

Hehm, I would love to play as Lucy.

Hehm, I would love to play as Lucy.

You're not fooling anyone with that little angel face, you know.

LOL j/k.

*looks around*

The website. I'm not communicating very well. Here's the original article on how to get front-paged.

One of the rumors for AC3 that was quickly shot down by Patrice was that AC3 would star a female assassin during WWII. It's a possibility, but so far I think Patrice has his mind in other sectors (AC2: Episodes).

Well, that's a little bit . Any indication that it was just the WWII aspect he was shooting down? *hopeful face*. I can understand his likely reasoning though, since male gamers outnumber female gamers by such a large number. Although I'm sure many male people played and enjoyed Metroid Prime.

The rumor about a female assassin during WWII was a joke the developers made in reference to a poor game called Velvet Assassin. Ubisoft has stated that they will use settings that haven't already been done to death in other games. That lets out WWII. They haven't ruled out female assassins.

There has been some talk about the American Revolution. Here's one cartoonist's concept of a female assassin in colonial America:

He said that because of all the potential the Animus has for historical locations - Desmond's story was always meant to be a trilogy.