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MAJOR SPOILER: You are warned

So during one of Juno's sessions with Desmond on the first civ's many failed attempts on saving the planet she brings up a strange fact, when enough humans were brought together and told a lie(using the apple) they gave form to the lie making it a truth. So now we have a sort of thought generator that can make the impossible possible. Their plan was to tell the entire world that the sun wouldn't send out the solar flare's(or whatever) and then by the aforementioned rule it shouldn't do anything. They couldn't achieve this goal for several reasons, lack of power, time etc. IF they can make anything a reality why couldn't they start small and build the pieces necessary to build the gigantic apple and over time build up to the final project thus saving the world? Just a thought

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What I don't get is Juno discussing how they tried sending a Piece into space and using a collective thought to stop the sun. Well, Abstergo is literally sending a Piece into space to control people's minds, and there are seven billion people purpose-bred to be controlled by Pieces. Shouldn't it have worked this time?

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As I recall, Abstergo was only planning to send one. TWCB sent dozens. Or was it hundreds?

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After learning this in the story, I began to think that the Templars were planning on repeating this method that the First Civilization tried. Made me more sympathetic towards their cause. Even at certain points in the story, Desmond mentions how he thought the same thing.

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Oh god, my brain.. I've already ordered an Abstergo Hoodie from Ubiworkshop, and this theory really does make me question the Assassins' motives.. Someone help me before I go over to the Father of Understanding.

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I don't get what was unclear about the TWCB and Abstergo Satellite method? The reasons for it are undoubtedly technical, but basically even TWCB couldn't properly focus the energy from the PoE, with MULTIPLES. Obviously Abstergo's single apple of eden would not have worked.

As for the idea of building a better PoE with the reality-bending power, I would bet they tried that and it simply would have taken more thralls than they could maintain to do it. Advancing technology at such a high level would be a tricky bit of reality bending.

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I think the reality bending (Mage: The Ascension... hello) thing was just a feint in the script. It worked well as such. I don't think there was a whole in the plot.

I was just kinda disappointed at the actual mechanism... I mean... Juno says "we tried this awesome stuff and that awesome stuff... but they didn't work." Then when we see what actually works... it's... so blah... the stuff we see on Discovery Channel.

I still liked the ending, though... especially how Desmond makes such a Templar-esque choice in the end.

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I was just kinda disappointed at the actual mechanism... I mean... Juno says "we tried this awesome stuff and that awesome stuff... but they didn't work." Then when we see what actually works... it's... so blah... the stuff we see on Discovery Channel.

Don't forget that Juno was likely lying at every possible opportunity. She was manipulating Desmond to free her. If they had tried something and it actually worked, there's no way she would want Desmond to know that before letting her out.

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I still liked the ending, though... especially how Desmond makes such a Templar-esque choice in the end.

I see a lot of people saying this and I still don't understand where they get that idea from. I don't see it that way at all. If anything, the Templars would have wanted the sun to burn the Earth and them being there to restart civilization the way they see fit. It's the ultimate form of control.

Desmond chose to spare the lives of billions of people. There was nothing that said that these people surviving meant instant and permanent enslavement. All that meant was that Juno was free and she would attempt to take over the world. But the Assassins will be there to fight back, and to rally the people to fight rather than accept enslavement.

The choice was pretty 'Assassin' in my opinion.

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But will they be able to stop Juno. I mean, will the Assassins and Templar ever combine their forces together and stop a vengeful deity?

That's my main gripe with the story - it doesn't provide any closure. Not to mention its horrendous execution.

So how do you kill/contain a member of the First Civ?

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"We were strong, but you were many."
- Minerva (Assassin's Creed II)
The humans have beaten the First Civilization in war before. We don't know exactly how but they have, and if they've done it once, it's possible to do it again. Animus back to the Human/First Civ war and see how the humans defeated them, then get out of the Animus and fight Juno ourselves. Plot of ACIV? Maybe.

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But will they be able to stop Juno. I mean, will the Assassins and Templar ever combine their forces together and stop a vengeful deity?

That's my main gripe with the story - it doesn't provide any closure. Not to mention its horrendous execution.

So how do you kill/contain a member of the First Civ?

It didn't provide closure because the series isn't over yet. I thought that was pretty obvious. Tongue

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Asaic wrote:
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But will they be able to stop Juno. I mean, will the Assassins and Templar ever combine their forces together and stop a vengeful deity?

That's my main gripe with the story - it doesn't provide any closure. Not to mention its horrendous execution.

So how do you kill/contain a member of the First Civ?

It didn't provide closure because the series isn't over yet. I thought that was pretty obvious. Tongue

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Great. So now they're gonna milk it for all its worth. Desmond's story doesn't provide much closure as well. No epic monologue or flashback or narrative. We don't even know what happened to the human race after Juno has been set free. So here are my top 5 choices for the next AC game:

1. 1st Civ
2. Roman Empire
3. Ancient China
4. Ancient India
5. ???

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Japan is my top pick, but I'd say the odds of it happening are slim. There's a stigma attached to the entire idea that would turn people away. But it doesn't have to fit the stereotype...

I have faith that they could do it justice, including social stealth. The ancestor doesn't have to only run around at night in a black outfit... The idea of a Native American stealth assassin seemed odd but they made it work well. I'm sure they could come up with a unique and interesting take on something in Japan.

If they focused on the time before, during and after 1869, it would make for a really exciting story set during a pivotal point in Japanese history, rife with politics and secret motivations. We would visit Edo/Tokyo and Kyoto, plus have lots of gorgeous countryside and even some small farming and fishing villages.

Forget the stigma. A heavily story-based game focusing on realistic gameplay in a realistically recreated mid-nineteenth century Japan? I don't think we've seen a game like that before. Most games set in Japan lie in earlier time periods and tend to be more comical and/or fantastical. Advertised the right way, this game could feel fresh and unique right out of the gate. It doesn't have to be "another ninja game". It could be something completely different. Something much better.

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I hope Ubi reads this post because they were under the impression that Japan is one of the worst locations in which they could set an Assassin's Creed game.

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Vesferatu wrote:
Great. So now they're gonna milk it for all its worth. Desmond's story doesn't provide much closure as well. No epic monologue or flashback or narrative. We don't even know what happened to the human race after Juno has been set free. So here are my top 5 choices for the next AC game:

1. 1st Civ
2. Roman Empire
3. Ancient China
4. Ancient India
5. ???

Of course there wasn't any full closure. They're going to keep going because this is the end of DESMOND'S STORY. How many times does this have to be repeated?

We probably won't get 1st Civ or Roman Empire because 1st Civ is fictional and doesn't mean anything to our "factual" human history in the real world, and we've been to Rome in Brotherhood. It would feel like a rewash of an old pair of slacks; too similar.

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Asaic wrote:
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I still liked the ending, though... especially how Desmond makes such a Templar-esque choice in the end.

I see a lot of people saying this and I still don't understand where they get that idea from. I don't see it that way at all. If anything, the Templars would have wanted the sun to burn the Earth and them being there to restart civilization the way they see fit. It's the ultimate form of control.

Desmond chose to spare the lives of billions of people. There was nothing that said that these people surviving meant instant and permanent enslavement. All that meant was that Juno was free and she would attempt to take over the world. But the Assassins will be there to fight back, and to rally the people to fight rather than accept enslavement.

The choice was pretty 'Assassin' in my opinion.

The idea of the choice being Templar-esque came to me largely from Minerva trying to stop Desmond, saying the Assassins should give priority to freedom. That choice was supposedly a sacrifice of freedom for the sake of power (the power to survive/save lives). I totally agree with the choice in every sense... I would even have made it if it was up to the player (I even thought it would be).

Now... about the choice a Templar would have made... I think what you said makes a lot of sense and is also a more sophisticated interpratation than mine. My initial one was that perhaps the Templars would adopt Juno as their 'Mother of Understanding'. Since they don't give a damn about liberty, maybe they wouldn't mind mankind being enslaved, as long as it would lead to order and some sort of colective glory.

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