Who watches? Who reads? Both?
I watch.
I keep meaning to start watching.
I keep not having the ability to.
I watch.
Thoughts on the season so far? Do you have a favorite character? Least favorite? I've read the books as well and, with the exception of a few minor things, think they've done an excellent job transitioning over this season. I must say, if they intend on keeping with the "one book, one season" story line, there are going to be a LOT of fireworks yet to come this season.
I think for those who stumble upon the thread and haven't watched, but intend to, we can keep discussions in spoiler tags.
I'll give you a list of characters I enjoy and those I don't:
Love: Tyrion, Jaime, and Tywin Lannister; Margaery Tyrell and her grandmother, Lady Olenna; Arya Stark; Littlefinger (Petyr Baelish); Robert Baratheon (R.I.P.); HODOR!
Hate: Cersei Lannister; Melisandre; Stannis Baratheon; Sansa Stark (mostly because she's totally out of her element in the backstabbing world, I pity her) and Catelyn Stark (freeing Jaime Lannister, what the hell?)
Storyline that doesn't interest me that much: Bran's quest with the Reeds
Currently watching the DVDs (just started season 2), ripped through the six books in about 10 days.
EDITED TO ADD: Whoops, I mean the five books.
Hate: Melisandre. All of the raping and the crudity toward women; I get it already, you don't need to keep rubbing my nose in it. There's too much explicit sex in the DVDs that is gratuitous as well. There was only one sex scene that was really necessary, the rest could have just been suggested.
Otherwise, I'm loving it. I really enjoy how your own impressions have to change over the course of the story. For instance, when Jaime revealed why he killed the Mad King. I realized that it had never even occurred to me to wonder why he did it. I had just made assumptions about it and didn't even realize that I had.
Definitely needs more Arya Stark. I could watch/read an entire series just about her.
Currently watching the DVDs (just started season 2), ripped through the six books in about 10 days.EDITED TO ADD: Whoops, I mean the five books.
I was about to say...
And yes, I do like how over time you change your views of the characters based on different accounts of the same story. I'm glad we've got another book reader here. I think the show's writers have done a pretty marvelous job with sticking to the books, although after this season it could get a bit tricky given how many new characters GRRM threw at us.
And what's going to happen with my favorite character, Littlefinger? He's a little weasel for sure, but he's cunning and seems to be the master of moving pieces around to fit his need (although Varys might be pulling strings against him). I know that GRRM had a Sansa chapter written already in Book 6 as of a year or so ago, so Littlefinger will be front and center.
Lastly, MORE Arya Stark? How can we have more when she is no longer Arya Stark?
Dang. I really wish I had HBO or a buddy with the DVDs close by... oh well.
Maybe I just like to be included and everyone else is watching it... haha
so.... I just finished watching the first episode of the first season...
F*@& this show. The first character I decide is decent and likeable... and they kill him off in the first episode...
I'd give you my thoughts on characters I like and dislike... but give me half a season to know who will stick around long enough to get an opinion on...
false alarm... not dead, just crippled...
Just finished season 1 today - typically, I'm not at fan of fantasy. Magic and mythical beings (dragons, hydra, griffins, spirits, demons, etc etc) don't do it for me. There isn't a lot of that in the first season, but I have a strong feeling that more will come. Things tend to get weird when fog, coldness and darkness descend on places, and I don't expect Westeros to be any different.
Characters (dead or alive) that I like/dislike in spoiler tag (okay, I went overboard and listed like 25 or so characters)
like: Jorah Mormont, Littlefinger, Robert Baratheon, Samwell, Bronn, Varys, Jon Snow, Tyrion Lannister, Khal Drogo, Maester Luwin, Syrio (Dikembe Mutombo has the same tagline... Not Today!), Ned (was at least honorable in this world of backstabbing so he gets a like), Gendry (as in, I'm liking him and hoping he has important storylines in season 2... certainly left it that way)
ambivalent toward: Joffrey (leaning toward dislike), Theon Greyjoy + Robb Stark (same person, right?), Arya (meh, blasphemy, I know), Jaime, Catelyn, Bran, (okay, most of the Starks and Lannisters fall here)
dislike: Sansa (greatly... OPEN YOUR EYES), Lysa Arryn and by extension her son, Cersei (what, she's fucking Lancel now that Jaime's out at war for their son?)
hate: only one - Viserys Targaryen. I was glad when he finally got the golden shower he deserved.
character I didn't like at the beginning but started to like in the middle of the season then trended briefly toward not liking but now like again to the point of being probably my favorite character at the conclusion of season 1: Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Mother of Dragons, etc etc etc
EDIT: got bored. watched the first two episodes of season 2. holy cow.
all of SEASON 1 - here are two families to keep track of and several ancillary characters just for fun.
first 2 episodes of SEASON 2 - you thought you had the characters down okay? here are about 4 more groups/families each with 10-20 to try to keep track of. oh wait, here's a smidgen of the old characters so you know you're watching the same show.
Get ready for a LOT more "holy cow", Dr. Cheese!
I have a question for you, with regard to
What did Ned's "honor" accomplish for him?
Get ready for a LOT more "holy cow", Dr. Cheese!I have a question for you, with regard to
Spoiler: Highlight to viewNed (was at least honorable in this world of backstabbing so he gets a like)What did Ned's "honor" accomplish for him?
Spoiler: Highlight to viewnothing. but that doesn't mean i can't like him for it.
Excellent point. You would have been well within your rights to include a after it.
Compare him to Daenerys Targaryen. Her sense of honor is rooted in the concrete. Protection of her people, respect for their existence. Transformation of her callously-arranged mercenary marriage into a bond of genuine love and respect. That was the reason why their son was to be the stallion who mounts the world, rather than just another Dothraki.
That's how to live with honor.
Excellent point. You would have been well within your rights to include a after it.Spoiler: Highlight to view
I can't, though. I can't reconcile admiration with such monumental stupidity. I can't even regard what he did as a noble failure. It's not as if he was unaware of the fate of his predecessor, or that he didn't know what the Lannisters were capable of. How could he possibly have believed that his fate would be any different than Jon Arryn's? It was a blind belief in an abstract, ephemeral concept that destroyed his entire family, who should have been his first priority. It was plainly idiotic.Compare him to Daenerys Targaryen. Her sense of honor is rooted in the concrete. Protection of her people, respect for their existence. Transformation of her callously-arranged mercenary marriage into a bond of genuine love and respect. That was the reason why their son was to be the stallion who mounts the world, rather than just another Dothraki.
That's how to live with honor.
Once he figured out what was going to happen, he didn't run... he didn't have time to. What he did have time to do was get word to his people at King's Landing (including his family) to GTFO. He kept his daughters close to him for safety anyway... but by doing so only put them in more danger.
From everything in the TV series (remember, I haven't read the books), even though he wasn't one, he believed strongly with the House Tully words, Family, Duty, Honor. However, for him it was more like Honor, Duty, Family. He lived his life as honorably as possible, and passed on those core values to his kids. He did his duty to the king he swore to serve, as all the other lords did.
He did what he thought was right at the time. He doesn't have foresight, and in hindsight I think he realized he was a fool for doing it. I don't think he would have done anything differently given the chance though.
Compare him to Daenerys Targaryen. Her sense of honor is rooted in the concrete. Protection of her people, respect for their existence.
uhhmmm... unless I'm missing something, DT has no people. She gains people later, yes. But she is, literally (to the knowledge of the audience at the end of season 1 anyway) the last of her people. She backstabs the one true member of her people - her brother that raised her from birth and taught her everything, mind you. In that light, she was very dishonorbale. /devil's advocate
Because of the way she conducts herself, she gradually gains the respect of (some of) the Dothraki. To gain respect, you have to give respect... and that's what she does, immersing herself into the customs and cultures, etc.
Ned did the same thing to the Lannisters/Baratheons... respected them. It's not his fault they are horrible people and didn't return the favor.
<- Yeah! Sing it, brother!
uhhmmm... unless I'm missing something, DT has no people.
The Dothraki are who I meant. Those are her people once she becomes the khaleesi. I should have been more precise!
----uhhmmm... unless I'm missing something, DT has no people.
--The Dothraki are who I meant. Those are her people once she becomes the khaleesi. I should have been more precise!
i knew what you meant
Theon has moved categories to the DISLIKE
He expects to be respected at Pyke, and when he isn't, he throws a tantrum.
When he overtakes Winterfell, he doesn't do it because it's a well thought out plan, he does it because he wants to impress daddy and thinks this will work (it probably doesn't, haven't watched the rest of the season yet).
When he kills Rodrik, it's not out of loyalty to Greyjoy. It's because he doesn't want to look like a fool (again, because of his poorly thought out plan).
Basically, he is manipulated by too many people and doesn't do what he thinks he should do, but instead does things reluctantly based on how he'll look to others.
Want to attack Winterfell? Fucking attack Winterfell! Go big (kill people with AUTHORITY) or go home. Kill the Maester for putting his hands on you and treating you like a boy. Kill Rodrik with authority. Kill others who are mocking... be.. be more like Joffrey.
He has a conscious, and I understand he's struggling through who he is... but if that's the case, basically, don't attack Winterfell until you KNOW it's what you want to do.
Just a dumbass, really.
god damnit! gosh darn it!
Here's how I now feel about every single character in this series... every. single. one.
DON'T READ THIS SPOILER UNLESS YOU'VE READ THROUGH BOOK 3.
These two go hand-in-hand. First, the Lannisters didn't murder Jon Arryn, Lysa Tully did it for Littlefinger. It's fair to say that Ned didn't know that at the time, but this goes with the second point, which is that Cersei, Queen Regent at the time, told Ned to stop his digging, then had all but assured both he and Sansa that he'd be allowed to take the black if he admitted to being a traitor (I believe this scene also plays out in the godswood and revolves around the discussion of protecting children, which is the one topic where Cersei is notably human, so we know she likely isn't lying here). The decision to behead him was 100% Joffrey's and totally unforeseen by the elder Lannisters, likely because they knew the potential fallout of a rebellion by the North.
Basically it just re-affirms what we already know, which is that Joffrey is the worst. At everything.
Spoiler: Highlight to viewYes, of course you are correct. I meant that Ned should have kept his mouth shut, let Joffrey become king, and retired to Winterfell with his family. But then, there would have been no story.
LOL... with leaving Joffrey in charge... there would still be a story...
big enough for you, Lisa? Are you not entertained‽‽‽
For those who have at least watched up through the 9th episode of Season 3 (aired 6/2/13).
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/steps-to-get-over-your-game-of-thrones-sadness
So... I marathoned the show this weekend and caught up yesterday.
I don't even watch Game of Thrones, but I couldn't help myself from watching the end of the last episode just to figure out what all the fuss was about.
I don't think the Starks are unintelligent. I think that they have a very strong sense of honor in a world where honor is not valued.
Ned Stark died because of loyalty,
I think they're fine people, who simply couldn't throw aside their principles in favor of practicality.
Jon Snow and the younger Starks, however, are gradually being forced to do so.
Tyrion is still my favorite character, though. He's probably one of the best candidates for the throne in the whole show, tied with Daenerys.
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i'm just about to watch the season 1 finale.
i can't believe
I learned right there not to really like anyone.
I commend you for being able to stay away from that spoiler for that long. Good luck in Season 2 and 3 (avoiding spoilers and liking characters).
i can finally read all the spoiler tags.
finished Season 3 last week
and i can never quite figure out if i should feel hatred or pity on Theon Greyjoy
i can finally read all the spoiler tags.
finished Season 3 last weekSpoiler: Highlight to viewi really hope Joffrey dies horribly soonand i can never quite figure out if i should feel hatred or pity on Theon Greyjoy
that one is easy... pure, white-hot, hatred. dumbest fucking character in the series, and GRRM hates stupidity, so he deserves everything he gets
ROB_88 wrote:
i can finally read all the spoiler tags.
finished Season 3 last weekSpoiler: Highlight to viewi really hope Joffrey dies horribly soonand i can never quite figure out if i should feel hatred or pity on Theon Greyjoy
that one is easy... pure, white-hot, hatred. dumbest fucking character in the series, and GRRM hates stupidity, so he deserves everything he gets
Alright. After reading the first 2 books, I don't hate Theon as much in the book as the show. In the show, my above statement stands. In the book... well, it also mostly stands.
took this screenshot this morning doing an image search for "eddard." thought some here might find it enjoyable or humorous.
For those who watched last night (Season four, Episode eight), how disappointed were you that the Magnar of Thenn DIDN'T GO WITH A WELL ASSASSINATION during
Seriously, that would've been amazing. 50% sync only for you, Magnar.
For those who watched last night (Season four, Episode eight), how disappointed were you that the Magnar of Thenn DIDN'T GO WITH A WELL ASSASSINATION duringSpoiler: Highlight to viewthe sack of Mole's Town?Seriously, that would've been amazing. 50% sync only for you, Magnar.
I, too, was expecting the well assassination.
Spoilers for the entirety of S04E08.
Spoilers for the entirety of S04E08.Spoiler: Highlight to viewOberyn's death was absolutely brutal. Could've seen it coming from a mile away though. I'm curious to see what happens to Tyrion now. (don't spoil it pls)
Of course not, no spoilers here. I just wanted to point out my disappointment in the non-well assassination. I mean, even the camera angle made it seem like it was going to happen.
no spoilers from me either... except to say that, (S4E8 spoiler)
I'm also not convinced he wasn't planning on dying anyway, based on knowledge not clear in the show yet, so I'll stop there.
No spoilers, but for S4E09 you may want to refresh yourself with these characters...
Spoiler details up to 4x08
- Olly is the one whose dad was killed right next to him early this season and was told to run and warn Castle Black that the Wildlings were coming from the south.
- Tormund, Ygritte, and the Thenns are attacking from the south (and just decimated Mole's Town last episode).
- Mance is leading an army pushing 100K from the north.
Welp, I'm officially caught up with the show in my recent book-reading endeavours. Already am a bit further in, and boy are we in for a treat!
April 24. Winter is Coming.
I mean, the show is (more or less) caught up to the books now, so even if you've read the books it's anyone's guess where they go from here...
Only good episode last season was Hardhome. Not really excited about the season 6. Especially not after that cringefest that was the Dorne storyline.
The Dorne storyline was so badly done in the tv show. So so badly done.
Valar Morghulis
Also, the GoT wiki is invaluable.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki
do we know when the next season is starting?
April 24 (in the USA)
another good reference link
quartermaester.info
be sure to toggle "episodes" for show and "chapters" for books... it could matter.
Good site for GoT news and updates.
http://watchersonthewall.com/
while we're at it... http://asoiaf.westeros.org/
and for my reader friends that are re-reading or reading FfC and DwD, I plan to try this next time:
http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crowsa-...
and, finally, one of my favorites... http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/