The Hidden Blade Assassin's Creed in Depth

maybe when he wakes up he might think he is micheal jackson lmao . but seriously we will just have to how that plays out.

Might want to watch out for putting spoilers right in the topic title.

Oh sorry, putting right now, thanks.

what I think is that they pretty much covered it in the Game Informer article. : )

I was kind of hinting at the fact that Desmond being in a coma is a spoiler in itself.

If you don't know that yet, I don't think you really ought to be in the Revelations sector.

I know that man. I'm jusrtrying to create a discussion about it........

Ooh... so what do you want me to do ?

EDIT: Phi, i'm getting an impression that you don't like me..
You are complaining so much about my comments....
I know about Desmond's Coma, i just wanted to create a discussion about it, like : How the missions will be, what may have in the end, and stuff like that.

its not a spoiler it tells you that in the game informer article

Phi was referring to the fact that Desmond's coma isn't really a spolier. If you don't know about it you shouldn't really be on this section of the site so there's no need to remove it from the thread title. He wasn't saying that creating a topic was stupid (I think anyway )

Asaic said that it was an Spoiler, that's why i put [SPOILER] on the title.
And i should be here if i want.. i created the topic for we to discuss, btu it turned into an stupid argument.. i'm just trying to "socialize" and make a good discussion... I know about Desmond's Coma, but not everything, then i created this topic so people can discuss with each other about this...

I wonder if the coma is allowing Desmond to somehow access Ezio's memories after his descendant was created. You'd think he would have had one or two somewhere by now.
Anyway this whole thing is going to cause massive bleeding effect on Desmond when he wakes up.

that is something to think about

It doesn't matter how many people Ezio's had relations with, untill he reaches the one who leads to Desmond. The way I see it, is that every time he has sex, both he and his partner transfer everything that they remember in their lives up to that point into the sperm and egg.

Desmond cannot access the memories of beyond conception of his line, because Ezio did not transfer memories of the future during conception. That would be impossible.

So being in a coma doesn't change anything, Desmond has a strict timeline which he can see his ancestor's memories in: birth of the ancestor to conception of the child that eventually leads to Desmond. Because at that point, that section of memories gets imprinted on the child, and nothing more.

Desmond being in a coma means his mind's going to have a harder time using the animus, which is why it moved him to the black room, where he can navigate the simulation of his mind in lieu of the normal loading screen in the white room. Also, when Desmond wakes up, he'll have to have repaired the damage done on his brain. So the Bleeding effect will probably be able to be controlled by him. All the skills, none of the split-personality, and the option to explore any ancestor just by thinking hard about it.

Sikkk!

To aid the discussion and jog everyone's memory, I'm going to post the two different things you get based on when you start the DLC (Da Vinci's Disappearance):

If you play the DLC sequence before the end of the game, you get 2 e-mails (the first one at the beginning and the second one after the DLC is complete). The emails appear on the screen; you don't get them by leaving the animus to access Desmond's email.

Hephaestus E-mail Network
Desmond Miles
Undisclosed Sender

W.M.
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Hephaestus E-mail Network
Desmond Miles
Undisclosed Sender

W.M.
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However, if you begin the DLC in a completed game file, you get the following conversations (because Desmond is non compos mentis at this point):

At the beginning (both voices are male):

1: What's happening?
2: Ezio seems to be remembering something. Something from 1506.
1: Desmond's heart rate is increasing. I'm administering a sedative.
2: No. The missing data may be there. The Piece of Eden is useless until we have it. Let him continue.
1: Yes, William.
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At the end:

2: You can sedate Desmond now, we have the information we needed.
1: It's too late, the damage is done. He seems to have entered some kind of coma.
2: He'll find his way out. He always has in the past.
1: I've run the data through the computer. We have a location for the temple.
2: Then what are you waiting for? Let's go.

Based on those emails/conversations, I have two questions I'd like to put up for discussion:

1. Why is Desmond supposed to keep this information confidential from Shaun and Lucy, and what (if any) is the significance of Rebecca's knowing about it?

2. Apparently this last one is not Desmond's first coma. What do you think about that?

1. Assuming that Shaun doesn't have high enough clearance (Rebecca is probably way higher ranked than him, she's been with the Assassins for much longer), and that Lucy hasn't actually been cleared to receive info after getting back from Abstergo. They DO have a history of using mind-controlling devices, and remember how Daniel Cross got brainwashed and killed The Mentor? I'd bet they have scans for that that they have to put undercover agents through when they come back.

2. I thought that was more about Desmond always finding a way to survive by himself in the past, not in a coma specifically.

I'm wondering if the whole Coma thing means that there won't be any of Shaun's Database entries, cause if ya think about it it makes sense... =/
That makes me sad though, cause I really liked reading his comments about the subjects, so amusing... :<

If they do bring it back it would probably be more robotic, as if the itself wrote 'em which makes less fun without Shaun's witty writing... Dx

Was there any mention about this that I might of missed...?
I hope I'm wrong...

I bet they've thought about the database entries. Maybe S 16 will do them? Would be really entertaining having a crazy guy talk about architecture!

I bet too that they thought about the database, but yeah i agree Vhan, it was interesting.
If they put this on Revelations it must have an explanation of putting this into the game. S16 making them was a funny idea, but i doubt that they'll say that it's S16 doing the databases.

So which set of emails are cannon?

You may as well remove Spoilers from the title, seeing as that isnt what Asiac meant. Also Danpii Phi was siding FOR you, no need to get upset about it. He was saying that it isnt much of a spoiler because most of us know it by now.

I'd say the one you get after finishing the game is, since they don't give desmond the sedative and he drops into the coma, which is where he's at at the beginning of revelations.

It might be more plausible than it sounds. Remember how S16 lives on in the Animus?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlynsNdO3XQ

He'll be more involved in revelations, I can tell. Desmond's in the Black Room now, and the Subject 16 clusters were all in black rooms.

Thanks for posting this, i forgot about this "mission".
Indeed, that proves what you're saying ! I remember now of this, The Truth in Brotherhood.

They could still have you pulling fun facts from Shaun's database. I'm sure he wasn't just writing all those entries as Desmond descovered them.

He was writing them around the time that Desmond discovered them, because they have references to things that Shaun couldn't have known unless he was at least half-way through Ezio's story.

The character entries yeah but i think info about landmarks and such could've been writen ahead of time.

Also, who's to say that Shaun or Rebecca won't be there at the Assassin HQ? Maybe they have their own Animus technictian but that doesn't mean Shaun can't still be the database man.

The thing is, I don't know if they can influence ANYTHING about Desmond's unconsious Animus session. He's in the black room, the one with no user interface, remember? Shaun might have no way of sending stuff like that to him, even if Shaun's in the same room as him.

You have a point, in that case i geuss S16 is the only one who can provide Desmond with historical information. Though S16 probebly doesn't have the same sense of humor as Shaun so it won't be as fun to read.

"Masyaf: Home to the Assassins. It was a...prison of the mind...AAAGGHHH!"

No, it's still funny.

S16 actually made me laugh with the first bit of dialogue he had. "I didn't want then to find the video, so I split it up into 20 files and encrypted each of them. *nervous laugh* Can't be too careful."

XD

I can see his dialogue being a great way to reveal undiscovered history about locations, buildings, and people, as well as just be fun to play with.

if s 16 with desmond they need a core from the animus from abstergo that´s how you got hem in the animus from rebeca.

Desmond is still using the same animus that has the core which contains whatever is left of S16.

So no problem there.

Not to mention that even if Desmond's put in a new Animus, he's been solving Glyphs and running through S16's programs for about two months in-universe; it's possible that the Animus has bled into him with his memories. (That's also my theory for how Desmond's going to have a HUD once he finally gets his own game)

I doubt Desmond sequences will ever make up an entire game. I would bet on ancestors taking up the bulk of all AC games.

I can definately see Desmond getting assassination missions during the pauses in Animus action, however, and they'll probably either be more linear, or freeform and replayable in the animus. (since he can use the animus to relive his own memories, right?)

i think we will never see desmond assassinate anyone.i mean assassins creed it would'nt be fun in modern times . if anything like you said the ancestor will take up a bulk of the game.

Yeah, we can use the animus to replay desmond's memories. That will add some replayability. In the 3rd game, they should have a modern city for desmond and at least 1 city for the ancestor.

We've already seen Desmond kill someone. (End of AC2)

Modern day assassin's Creed has a whole realm of possiblities! Who knows how advanced the Assassins are in the art of murder, now? The Modern Day Assassinations will blow your mind, I can garuntee it.

i think that he first can´t kill just for drama and that is not good but that he will slay all the templars just at the end. saving all the assassin´s and the world.

That's the thing. He HAS killed people. Those guards at the end of the game. If you were a competent player, you managed to kill some of them.

yeah i know but a AC game in modern times would start a rampage of illuminati conspiracys more than the AC series has already . but other than that i do agree with you.

What? They've already talked about all the conspiracy of modern times for 3 games! It's nothing new. It would just be featuring into the story in a more meaningful way for once.

true

yeah but i still think there going to make a great drama like we are all doomed and that on the end of the game everything comes right.

They have to incorporate more of Desmond's story into AC:R. Hopefully, it is the last major game before AC3, so it's going to need to build on Desmond and develop his story more. If they fail to incorporate Desmond's story more into AC:R, they'll be doing the series a great disservice. The entire premise behind the game is for Desmond to become the "chosen one" who stops the Templar take-over. In order for this to play out, Ubi needs to make Desmond a focal point rather than focusing the majority of the game on an ancestor. The ancestors are a huge part of the series, but let's not forget that the basis of the game is the modern Assassin-Templar struggle.

I think they're going to do a good job of balancing Desmond/Ezio/Alatir gameplay this time around. Basically to get his mind back together, he has to get to the nexus, where he can reconcile both of the people he's viewed through the animus and stop having a split personality. But to get there, he has to travel through Ezio's memories, and since there's no user interface, travelling literally means traveling through the animus's interpretation of his mind and memories between sequences. So we'll learn lots about Desmond during those sequences. BUi has said this is the most Desmond time that's been in a game.

Maybe the last half of the game is Desmond-centered? Since the E3 demo was "about halfway through the game", maybe we'll have the first half finish Ezio and Altair's stories, but Desmond with return from his coma and we'll get some present-day assassination action.

I doubt they'd show anything near the end of Ezio's story. There will be a fair balance of both characters throughout.

I think we'll see Desmond's story more spread out, maybe even after each sequence. I wrote up a possible sequence of events a month or so ago, and posted it at GameFAQs to see what people think.

Here it is, unedited, and a little weak in parts (the ending in particular)

not bad