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Jubair al Hakim's Early Death

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFHli77es2Y
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Like the title says, the early death of Jubair right before you are supposed to kill him.

Infiltrating the Madrasah Al-Kallasah
This is easy if you know how to do it. Have some guards chase you onto the roof. Then drop down to the door on the south side of the building. Engage in combat with the guards there. After a little while the guards on the roof will come down to the ground from inside the building. Since this is the only time in the game that the door is closed the guards' ai thinks they can go through. They will attack you through the door, which gives an opportunity to glitch inside by counter attacking. You need to be in combat with the guards outside since you can't lock onto the guards inside. Countering can be a little tricky because you might not be able to see the guards attack until it's too late.

Jubair's Early Death
Once you get inside you will find Jubair and the other scholars in the northwest corner of the building. They pretty much stay in the spot where they are (even grabbing and throwing won't move them). At the front of them are Jubair and the scholar he talks with during the scene. Now for pre-killing Jubair and/or the scholars. I've tried different killing combinations, each with their own results. First I killed everyone except the scholar Jubair talks with. Now for the scene... Levitating books?! Even the scholar I didn't kill doesn't appear for the scene, and the scene itself somehow won't end (when I had first originally done this I killed everyone and the scene ends as normal). Now I'll try killing just Jubair. You can identify him from the other scholars by the pouch he wears. Here's the problem with killing just him: You are exposed by the scholars, and the scene cannot start until you become anonymous. So glitch back outside the building the same way you came in. Lock onto one of the scholars so you are in combat and counter attack a guard who is outside. Then get far enough away that you escape the scholars and become anonymous (I had tried using a hiding spot but couldn't get out of it). Now for the scene... Wait, why is the scholar dead instead of Jubair?! When the scene ends you fail the mission as though the target had escaped. Now this is weird, the blade's low profile kill animation on the scholar is the same as on a target. Also one time I killed just the scholar and he still appeared in the scene as well as Jubair, but I failed the mission right after the scene ended. It's as though he is a copy of Jubair, and killing one of them affects the other. That's a very interesting thing in the game that can only be answered by Ubisoft.

Instant Kill
I wanted to try an automatic kill on Jubair like what I did with Garnier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiaiQfUGZPc
However I couldn't reanimate him because he can't be moved from the place he is. So I theorized it could be possible just by taking down his health with fists, since being knocked out isn't quite the same as being dead. Well it worked, but in a way that I didn't expect to happen. After I climbed up to start the scene and the dialogue appeared, "ancestor's memory synchronized recording..." Altair teleported to ground assassinate Jubair, causing the memory corridor scene to start. This is probably the only time in an AC game that a memory corridor scene has started before it should. It seems the game recognizes Jubair as a target when the scene starts. Afterwards the scene is cancelled. The invisible barriers are still there that prevent you from leaving, so I glitch my way through one of them by grasping a ledge. You aren't under city alert as you normally would, but can still complete the memory.

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I did the exploit today, but I beat up Jubair and the scholars, only for them to revive when the scene started. I also beat up the scholar that dies during the scene. Do you think that makes a difference?

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You kept me waiting.
Also, I think it's possible to instant-kill William as well. Wink

I have a question. How long did it take to get into the Madrasah and beat Jubair up? Because skipping the scene could be a great shortcut for a speedrun.

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161803398874989 wrote:
I have a question. How long did it take to get into the Madrasah and beat Jubair up? Because skipping the scene could be a great shortcut for a speedrun.

I was going to mention that in the speedrun thread. Let's see. Getting the guards to the roof. Then glitching through the door. Then to start the scene you have to become anonymous again. Probably kill all the scholars, and if there's any guards outside the door attack them through the door. At least a few minutes. Could save some time, especially since you don't have to travel long distances and avoid city alert. And then there's glitching through the barrier to get outside. This will all take some practice.
And concerning the regular blitz I found out while recording that you don't need a guard to get to that ledge. I simply jumped from the railing on the edge of the roof to the ledge instead.
Now a name for the exploit of glitching through the door. How about This Person Is Awesome Exploit (inside joke from stabby chat)?

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Yeah, you should just call it 'TPWFTEIVA' (The Person Who Found This Exploit Is Very Awesome). Tongue

As for the speedrunning part, I think getting the guards from the roof is easy, there are a few archers on the roofs between the bureau and the Madrasah, and since I'm going via the rooftops anyway, I could pick one up along the way. Getting in open conflict with the guards in front of the door should take little time, glitching through the door varies. Then everyone inside is easily taken care of. Can you throw knives through the door, because that would mean a quick end for the guards outside.

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