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I just restarted ACII and it occurred to me that the game seems to be following an old movie storyline. The dissed, jealous, unhappy partner flips sides to gain power and appreciation. Do any of you guys see this as a possibility for Sean? I sure do. I'm not so sure his allegiance to the Assassins is as strong as his need for credit.
I forsee a clandestine meeting with Vidic in his future. Well, would make a great story anyway.

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Man, I hope they don't go that way. Way too cliche, not to mention they would have done an absolutely terrible job at keeping it a surprise. Given the story thus far, I think the writers are a little smarter than that. I think the Shaun character would be smarter too; he wouldn't be so rude and vocally opposed if he was trying to hide his motives and blend in.

If anything, from a writing perspective, Shaun's attitude would be better served to throw the player's suspicion on him rather than someone else. That would still be a bit cliche, but at least it would be less obvious.

Sorry lilk, I just can't agree with you on this one. Smile

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I agree with Asaic, but there is a possibility since he wasn't actually born into the Assassin Order...

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What's Lucy's motivation, btw? Why is she so invested in the war?

I can see her killing the techy girl, when she discovers her doing some traitor thing. Maybe Lucy got so used to being treated like trash by Vidic that she can't deal with her new freedom. He's like a father to her.

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It's not Sean. It's just not. If it's anyone, it's "techy girl" (I actually forget her name). She seems like the greatest asset for the Assassin's technology field. The Assassins know how important Desmond is. Wouldn't they send in their best to watch over him? It would be a huge loss if they were betrayed by her.

I also like al's theory. The "love interest" to Desmond would really be an unexpected turn in the series, giving us more "HOLY SH*T" moments.

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It wouldn't make much sense for Lucy though. She's helping Desmond train and he's clearly from one of the most pure lineages of Assassins. If she were secretly working against them, she would likely be sabotaging the training and disguising data, etc. But things went really smoothly.

She was also the one who was bending over backwards to get Desmond into this whole thing. That's just not the behavior of a double agent. And don't forget everything she went through with Subject 16.

I think people are just fishing for some sort of conspiracy. As if the AC series wasn't already packed with them. Wink

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If Sean wasn't voiced by a British man, nobody would think "hmm maybe he's a traitor".

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I said Lucy would be a great idea, because 1. It's very unexpected, and 2. Vidic did a lot for her and they seem like they could have become like a father-daughter couple.

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I think Rebecca would be an awesome traitor. She seems really naive and harmless, which is a pretty good cover.

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I think they will follow a different cliche. Sean will get more annoying, but at one stage he will sacrifice himself to buy everyone more time, or do something nobel that results in his death. They do that sometimes in movies, the jerk isnt such a badguy after all, you respect him but its too late

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This is kind of an interesting though actually. I always felt like Shaun was sending off mixed signals during that cutscene between him, Desmond and Rebecca. One minute he's going on about how the Assassin's aren't nessicarily the "good guys" because they kill people and then he reminds you how it's their goal to safegaurd free will. Most times it's the double agents who talk like that.

Seeing how Lucy was a double agent for the Assassins then it wouldn't be far off for Abstergo to plant a mole within the Assassins. Personally i hope they don't go with such a cliche plot device because it'd be so damn predictable.

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I view Shaun as, while completely happy working behind the curtain, envious of Desmond. Part of Shaun's always wanted to be the one delving head-first into centuries-old secrets, and why not? It's the ultimate extension of doing research about those secrets. And when Desmond comes in and hops right into the Animus, that bothers Shaun. Shaun's still going to help Desmond, but he doesn't have to like him.

I don't think that Abstergo would even think of putting a mole in the Assassins - the modern Templars seem like they'd just kill the Assassins if they knew where they were well enough to send a spy in.

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I view Shaun as, while completely happy working behind the curtain, envious of Desmond. Part of Shaun's always wanted to be the one delving head-first into centuries-old secrets, and why not? It's the ultimate extension of doing research about those secrets. And when Desmond comes in and hops right into the Animus, that bothers Shaun. Shaun's still going to help Desmond, but he doesn't have to like him.

I don't think that Abstergo would even think of putting a mole in the Assassins - the modern Templars seem like they'd just kill the Assassins if they knew where they were well enough to send a spy in.

I agree with both points.

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If Sean wasn't voiced by a British man, nobody would think "hmm maybe he's a traitor".

Reverse-racism! Never did his accent account for my suspicion of him. It was his 'words' not how he said them. Besides, Brits have always been allies of the US (well after 1812 anyway Tongue).

Anyhow, leaving that aside (Hew I'm disappointed you would write that, I hope it was just a joke), it is VERY possible the Templars would have a mole. Why not? The assassins did. Agreed they are arrogant shits, but they are smart too. Frankly I don't know either way, but it is a good possibility that if it's not Sean (or however you spell his name) then it's someone else. Twists to a story still make for a great story no matter the transparency and they have twisted us on the inside of the Animus, why not the outside?

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I think the biggest twist would be not having a Templar mole. We'd be even more shocked then. Wink

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If Sean wasn't voiced by a British man, nobody would think "hmm maybe he's a traitor".

Reverse-racism! Never did his accent account for my suspicion of him. It was his 'words' not how he said them. Besides, Brits have always been allies of the US (well after 1812 anyway Tongue).

He was probably kidding, just saying that because in almost every Disney movie (i.e. Aladdin), the protagonist has an American accent, while the antagonist has a British accent.

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I don't think that Abstergo would even think of putting a mole in the Assassins - the modern Templars seem like they'd just kill the Assassins if they knew where they were well enough to send a spy in.

Yeah, i think your right. Abstergo's probebly got enough resources that they don't need spies to find the Assassins.

Though Ubisoft did say that Desmond's story would take an "interesting" turn in AC:B. That could mean anything really, somebody could turn traitor or it could be some earth shattering revelation Desmond learns about himself. Have to wait and see. Cool

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Though Ubisoft did say that Desmond's story would take an "interesting" turn in AC:B. That could mean anything really, somebody could turn traitor or it could be some earth shattering revelation Desmond learns about himself. Have to wait and see. Cool

Well Ubi already said that Desmond will undergo a change in appearance (hidden blade and hood most likely) and he will "do much more than in ACII". He'll obviously become a legitimate Assassin and take out a few modern-day Templars...or maybe just some really bad people like mob bosses or Santa. (If Santa was real, don't you think he'd have a Piece of Eden?!?) Santa

I'd personally think it would be too lazy of Ubi to throw in that mole cliche in the developed story. They can make it much better than that.

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Oh it would be so fantastic if the last quarter of the game or so featured Desmond in a city around the size of Forli. Killing Santa.

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I think I'll put up an art piece of Desmond shanking Santa around Christmastime... I called it!!!

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Though Ubisoft did say that Desmond's story would take an "interesting" turn in AC:B.

I keep expecting Desmond and Lucy to get it on. Shock

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I had a thought. Desmond and Lucy got out of Abstergo fairly easily. What if the Templar's allowed Lucy to get Desmond out of there so they could get their information quicker? Considering Abstergo's failure to get their information from their first sixteen subjects, maybe they saw it as beneficial to allow or even facilitate Desmond's escape so that they could get the information they needed from him and then steal it from Lucy and the team once they had it. Making unwittingly traitor's of Shaun, Rebecca, Lucy and Desmond. That depth of deception coming frrom Abstergo would not suprise me.

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Yes, Huitzilopochtli2012 (I had to copy and paste your usename as it looks like you hit all the keys on your keyboard at once Wink ), that has been at the back of my mind for some time. Unwitting traitors perhaps?

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If Sean wasn't voiced by a British man, nobody would think "hmm maybe he's a traitor".

Ha! Yes, we're all Evil Traitors here in Blighty you know, Old Chap. All of us. With a capital E and T, too - that's how Evil and Traitorous we are.

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Yes, Huitzilopochtli2012 (I had to copy and paste your usename as it looks like you hit all the keys on your keyboard at once Wink ), that has been at the back of my mind for some time. Unwitting traitors perhaps?

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If Sean wasn't voiced by a British man, nobody would think "hmm maybe he's a traitor".

Ha! Yes, we're all Evil Traitors here in Blighty you know, Old Chap. All of us. With a capital E and T, too - that's how Evil and Traitorous we are.

I'll second that! That's why we're an island, you know? So we can plot and scheme in peace and isolation, like the Evil and Traitorous (Treacherous?) folk we are Crazy

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Evil Can I third that? We British are great at coming up with a conspircy ot two although ours are more ingenious than it would be to make Sean a traitor.

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Yes, Patrick, Treacherous too. Evil I like Traitorous, though, as it sounds wrong but isn't.

Which is the opposite of telling someone they look quimtessent, which sounds like a compliment but absolutely is not.

Why aye*, Massmurder, you can third that indeed. (Check out Bill Bailey's 'conspiracies' on YouTube - there are cameras in ham, y'know.)

*Not that I'm stereotyping Geordies, you understand. And if I was, it's allowed 'cos the whole of my mum's side of the family are from Durham. Wink

Anyway, back to topic: I don't believe that Shaun is a traitor. He is quite annoying (but has grown on me in AC:B) and, of course, British, but even that doesn't make him a traitor. I expect, at some point, he's going to become very important and possibly even heroic, which will make all the people who hate him feel like they have to take back all their derogatory and unpleasant comments about the poor chap. Not to mention libellous threads like this one.

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You have cemented my belief that the British are all pure evil.

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Desmond: "Hey, wassa madda you, Shaun?"
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Desmond: "Your reverse-racist."
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After replaying AC2 i noticed a few similarities between Shaun and Leonardo, i.e. when Desmond arrives at the hideout, Shaun greets him with some yib-yab, then "Where are my manners? Welcome!". Leonardo does the same with Ezio. (After the Francesco de' Pazzi assassination?)
Shaun and Leonardo are both very intelligent (obviously) and both seem a bit associal. Could we have a bloodline here?
This would (possibly not) explain Shaun working as a mole for the templars since Leonardo did the same (perhaps not willingly, but still).

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It's very unlikely that Shaun belongs to Leonardo's bloodline, since Leo was a homosexual, greatly decreasing the chances of him conceiving children. But the comparisons are uncanny, nonetheless.

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It's very unlikely that Shaun belongs to Leonardo's bloodline, since Leo was a homosexual, greatly decreasing the chances of him conceiving children. But the comparisons are uncanny, nonetheless.

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wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat! leonardo was gay Shock

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Actually it's a possibility, however remote. Leonardo was not openly homosexual. It's been speculated that he was for a long time. It's also more likely that he was bisexual, even if only for the sake of putting up a good front. I have heard stories both ways.

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In our history, it's still very unclear on what his exact orientation was, but in the AC universe, after you buy his upgrades and destroy his war machines, there's an awkward moment between him and Ezio where he says "Women provide little distraction", and Ezio replies, "Wait, I don't get it..." and they look at each other awkwardly.

They seem to be really pushing the idea that he was gay in their universe, at least. But I do see how it can be possible he passed on offspring, maybe during an experimentation period or he could have been putting on a ruse for some reason. But anything is permitted. Wink

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There was a time in college when he was confused and wanted to see what it was like.

I actually just saw that odd conversation last night. I didn't realize it was there until I was just roaming around and noticed Leo's symbol on the map. I sat down on the bench and saw that cutscene. It did make me laugh though. They're trying really hard to make him look as gay as possible.

I wonder if he'll show up at all in AC:R.

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In our history, it's still very unclear on what his exact orientation was, but in the AC universe, after you buy his upgrades and destroy his war machines, there's an awkward moment between him and Ezio where he says "Women provide little distraction", and Ezio replies, "Wait, I don't get it..." and they look at each other awkwardly.

They seem to be really pushing the idea that he was gay in their universe, at least. But I do see how it can be possible he passed on offspring, maybe during an experimentation period or he could have been putting on a ruse for some reason. But anything is permitted. Wink

maybe by that he was saying that he dosen't have time to meet women ?

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That's definitely not what they were going for.

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I haven't heard anything about him appearing in ACR. It would be a nice break from the sidekick image.

And EA, watch the cutscene. It's really obvious. Lol

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Yeah the gay thing is so blatent. The cutscene is about the Mona Lisa and how she won't distract him (nor will any other woman for that matter) Tongue

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I wonder if they'll have a gay character for every game. First we had Abul (fast-running fat man) in AC1, then we had Leonardo. It might just be a coincedence that they're both gay and I'm thinking too much, but that's what forums are for.

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I haven't heard anything about him appearing in ACR. It would be a nice break from the sidekick image.

And EA, watch the cutscene. It's really obvious. Lol

would love too but ummmm........I TRADED IN MY AC GAMES and now im trying to get them back Crying

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Look up that "zwooooosh" guy (i forget how many o's are in his name). He has that cutscene as one of his AC videos.

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Even better, just play the Da Vinci dissapearance DLC. Makes it even more obvious.

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Topic title chaged to "Leonardo gay?"

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I haven't heard anything about him appearing in ACR. It would be a nice break from the sidekick image.

And EA, watch the cutscene. It's really obvious. Lol

would love too but ummmm........I TRADED IN MY AC GAMES and now im trying to get them back Crying

Why trade them in if you're going to get them back anyways?

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because at the moment i belived it was what i wanted to do so i trated in them all to get power up rewards points (for revelations and arkham city) and like 2 months later i got like a little crazyy because i have'nt been stabing people in the face for a while. so yeah.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which

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Just look at it on youtube.

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omg just watched a clip and basicly like this

LEANARDO: women provide little distraction

ezio looks at leanardo who is giving him a funny look.

EZIO: what does that mean?

leanardo wispers

LEANARDO: letsssss get freaky.

ezio runs away form leanardo......

LEANARDO: get back here with your italian ass!!!! (and chases after him)

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which